Pod group Logs
– Start log: Monday, September 3, 2007 7:55:43 pm LC_MOO time –
Simon[213] says, “guess thoes lessons paid off 
“
Ian[213] Ian pants as he rushes to start recorder …
Simon[213] says, “looks like were the only ones”
Ian[213] says, “Sadly, I’m following my hand written notes … It’s really not ‘intuitive’ huh!”
Ian[213] says, “Look like!”
Simon[213] says, “lol”
Ian[213] chuckles
Ian[213] says, “Could be worse!”
Simon[213] says, “indeed it could”
Ian[213] says, “Hey, did you start your OLR yet?”
Simon[213] says, “ya but only in word”
Simon[213] says, “havnt put them online yet”
Simon[213] says, “the topics 1-5?”
Ian[213] says, “I started in word too, but finding it hard to stay organised.”
Simon[213] says, “ya same”
Ian[213] says, “I started my OLR at the weekend.”
Simon[213] says, “i find this is a bit hard to keep up with “
Simon[213] says, “used to text books and stuff”
Ian[213] says, “Me too, I feel like it’s all over the place … but then, that’s the way websites are I suppose.”
Simon[213] says, “ya true”
Ian[213] says, “You gave me a good idea though.”
Simon[213] says, “oh no”
Ian[213] says, “Within OLR include a page of useful links”
Ian[213] says, “… to all the various sites”
Simon[213] says, “ya that would be good”
Simon[213] says, “well firstly whens this due?”
Simon[213] says, “let me find my calendar”
Simon[213] says, “14th sound right?”
Ian[213] says, “I’m not sure what our 1st POD activity is … I’m just having a rummage through my notes …”
Ian[213] says, “Assignment 1 is due on 14th I believe”
Simon[213] says, “ya the rest is due with assignment 1″
Simon[213] says, “I think we should spend the next cpl days writing up our findings for 1 and 2. and email them to each other”
Simon[213] says, “then have another meeting after or before class on thursday?”
Ian[213] says, “1 Sounds good. What is task 1 all about?”
Simon[213] says, “that was investigate moodle and interact”
Simon[213] says, “its on —>”
Simon[213] says, “the notes still in the room”
Simon[213] says, “its fairly straight forward”
Simon[213] says, “we just need to get our thoughts together and compile them”
Ian[213] says, “Ah! Yes, that was it. (Rummaging wasn’t much use)”
Simon[213] says, “:P”
Simon[213] says, “so how about we aim to do tast 1 and 2 by thursday and email em to each other before class”
Simon[213] says, “then stay back after it for a bit and go through em”
Simon[213] says, “we got to see most of pod task 2 last lesson”
Ian[213] says, “Sure. Hey, I’ve just reading the tasks, I see ..”
Ian[213] says, “tasks 2 and 3, but can’t see 1.”
Simon[213] says, “I can only see pod task 1 and pod task 2″
Simon[213] says, “POD group work exercises 1 and 2 10%”
Ian[213] says, “I found it. So many differnt browsers open, and different forums/messages … jeez.”
Simon[213] says, “lol ya”
Simon[213] says, “i have so many bookmarks for this subject i had to make its own folder”
Ian[213] says, “Alrighty, I think I’m “with it” again now …”
Simon[213] says, “hehehe”
Ian[213] says, “So starting at the …”
Simon[213] says, “ya it took me a cpl of reads to get my head around it”
Ian[213] says, “… beginning, POD task 1, maybe we can knock that over tonite?”
Simon[213] says, “sure”
Ian[213] says, “I quickly read through …”
Ian[213] says, “the task and I recall having done all this already.”
Simon[213] says, “ya we did a good bit of it in class”
Simon[213] says, “for both of them”
Ian[213] says, “I put my notes on my OLR … I just go get them, and paste ‘em here, and maybe we can discuss …”
Ian[213] says, “Coming through shortly:”
Simon[213] says, “sure”
Ian[213] says, “Tonights ITC213 MOO session (30 Aug 07) involved 5 participants, and we compared chat capabilities of MOO and Moddle. My notes were: MOO uses frames and the GUI is very character-based so pretty clunky to use. Requires a modicum of effort to learn how to use, but is fast to use once the learning curve is over. Internet Exlporer doesnt run the required JAVA applet which can cause some frustrations. Moodle has a modern web GUI so is easier to use. However it is somwhat slower to post chat messages/replies. Lack of recorder means remembering to copy/paste conversations where thats required, and this presents a risk that the conversations could be lost if the browser dies or is accidentally closed. Time stamp against each chat message is useful in seeing the interaction, especially if several people are talking at once (i.e. in the same minute). No ability to whisper/page an individual is sorely missed in larger groups. Little emoting capabilty other than the u!
se of character based smileys which get converted to smiley images. Beeping another user or self is available – means of getting attention.”
Ian[213] says, “(choke on that!)”
Simon[213] says, “thats for pod task 2?”
Ian[213] Ah! Whereas task 1 is Moodle vs Sakai Interact?
Simon[213] says, “ya thats pod 1″
Simon[213] says, “Did you want to review them again and email each other the notes tomorrow?”
Simon[213] says, “as i think that one was a cpl of weeks ago”
Ian[213] says, “Ya!”
Simon[213] says, “let me get your email address again”
Simon[213] says, “so i can create a rule for it incase outlooks spam filter nabs it”
Ian[213] ian has demmanding baby screaming for attention … might be a bit distracted now and then …
Simon[213] says, “mines simonj@coastalitsolutions.com.au“
Simon[213] says, “well thats why i figure we can work on it and email each other the notes damn rl “
Ian[213] says, “Ah-ha! Lets do that then …”
Ian[213] says, “Mine should come through tonite!”
Simon[213] says, “ya i will work on mine tonight too”
Simon[213] says, “that way i can read over them at work tomorrow”
Simon[213] says, “while im um err >.> working”
Ian[213] says, “Yeah, I’m gonna get started now and will probably be online for a while …”
Simon[213] (asleep) has disconnected.
Simon[213] has connected.
Simon[213] says, “i think i got disconnected”
Ian[213] welcome back!
Ian[213] says, “I’m gonna get started now and will probably be online for a while …”
Simon[213] says, “stupid isp did its daily relog”
Simon[213] says, “whats your email again Ian?”
Ian[213] baby is usually well behaved, but playing up rotten tonite – nothing a TeleTubbies DVD can’t sort out though 
Ian[213] ijdonaldson@gmail.com Simon[213] says, “except that would make any sane person homocidal”
Simon[213] says, “ok cool”
Simon[213] says, “did u get mine?”
Ian[213] … just sent you an email 
Simon[213] says, “let me check so i can setup an outlook rule so it dosnt get spammed”
Ian[213] (hopefully I don’t get tinkiwinki mixed up with sakai and so on) Simon[213] says, “lol”
Simon[213] says, “ok got it and replied “
Simon[213] says, “stupid junk mail filters “
Ian[213] I’ve got mail!
Simon[213] says, “Nice”
Ian[213] says, “Jee I’m frustrated, every site I’m interacting with requires a different username and password. That’s because for example: they have different stipulations about password strenth and length”
Simon[213] says, “yeah it gets confusing”
Simon[213] says, “you should see some of the ones we have at work”
Ian[213] says, “I’m writting out my cheat sheet of site, usernames and password again … but that kind of undermines some of the fundamentals of “security”.”
Simon[213] says, “you can get some good software that encrypts the stuff so it makes it safer to store”
Ian[213] says, “At work I’m used to frequent changes of strong password, but have formulated my own way of dealing with it. At least we have predominately “signle sign on” achieved…”
Ian[213] says, “I have that software …”
Ian[213] says, “but it’s a bit of pain to constantly have to refer to it.”
Ian[213] says, “I guess I want all the security for no inconvenience!”
Ian[213] says, “:)”
Simon[213] says, “biometrics! take your ID anywhere. till someone cuts off your finger”
Simon[213] says, “brb”
Ian[213] says, “Observation: I don’t see any of the other POD reporting on their progress within the POD forum …”
Ian[213] says, “I wonder why …”
Simon[213] says, “Perhaps their waiting till the due date to post”
Simon[213] says, “so that people dont copy etc”
Ian[213] says, “You there? I’m logged into the sakai interact site, testing the ‘Chat’ function if you wanna interact and see what it can/can’t do.”
Simon[213] says, “sec leme bring it up”
Ian[213] copy, hmmm, cunning …
– End log: Monday, September 3, 2007 9:33:51 pm LC_MOO time –
– Start log: Thursday, September 6, 2007 8:07:12 pm LC_MOO time –
Hopper says, “read it while I grab a snack…and ponder on how to do it…”
Bron[213] [to Ross]: did you read task 3, I didn’t think the blogs and wikis could be modified?
Simon[213] says, “i could only add comments when I changed and modify the main page.”
Ross says, “I think you can edit “public blogs” but wiki I know very little about”
Bron[213] says, “maybe the students ability to modify will be upgraded”
Bron[213] says, “I use wikis for work and once you are an author/writer you can add/modify etc.”
Hopper listens and hope for more…
Ross says, “perhaps we simply append to what already exists, I think this can be done”
Bron[213] says, “well if it is a ’sandbox’ we will need to be able to do more”
Ross [to Bron[213]]: does your experience mean you will ead our POD on this one….lol Bron[213] smiles Ross says, “ead = lead”
Bron[213] says, “defn. give it a go”
Hopper grins.
Ross says, “there’s wiki in both “sandbox” and “moodle” do you think this adds to the confusion a little?”
Ian[213] says, “Hi Hopper: I have Omid ON MSN saying he’s in MOO but can see/connect to Bulga Fern Gully. Was OKAY at Uni had this problem when at home during the week too …”
Ian[213] says, “(meant Can’t)”
Bron[213] [to Ian[213]]: I had the same problem as Omid earlier today…Java applets were failing DavidW[213] arrives from LC_MOO Welcome Lobby Simon[213] says, “get him to try updating java from www.java.com“
Ross says, “it can be blocked by firewalls…”
Bron[213] says, “my thoughts too simon..also what about security settings does that affect it?”
Hopper [to Ian[213]]: Okay.. I will be away next week until THU
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Hopper holds up a SIGN: | Blogging |
|__________| Hopper says, “the MOODLE has the blog manu on the right side when you join the CSCW course, while Interact has the ittem as “Blogger” on the left of its screen layout.”
Bron[213] says, “ok”
Hopper says, “in MOODLE you can access your profile by clicking on your username among other things.”
Ross says, “do we use both or decide as a POD group”
Hopper says, “you can not only edit your profile, but see and make forum posts and blog entries… versatile.”
Hopper says, “Have you all used blogs before?”
Simon[213] says, “To some degree I have.”
Bron[213] says, “yes..don’t have one but have added comments etc..to other peoples”
Ian[213] says, “(Sidenote: Thanks all for your tips TO Omid … I’ve passed them on).”
Ross says, “no not me…ever”
Rizwan[213] arrives.
Rizwan[213] says, “hello everyone”
Rizwan[213] leaves for MOODLE_chat
Hopper [to rizwan']:
Ross says, “hi and bye Rizwan[213]“
Bron[213] [to Rizwan[213]]: hi
Bron[213] LOL
Hopper [to rizwan]: How much blog experiences have you?
Hopper sighs.
DavidW[213] says, “Hi, have I missed anything yet?”
Ross says, “Hi David, not a lot, Ken has posted POD task 3 and we are discussing this”
Rizwan[213] arrives.
Hopper says, “I know less about the Interact blogger or wiki as it is a sandxbox trial we are part… part am familiar with blogger.com… as you see in the POD task 3 extension work… and heaps of experience with CoreBLOG as I am a ZOPe fan.. to your delight/disgust.”
Hopper grins.
Ross chuckles
DavidW[213] says, “ta Ross”
Hopper [to DavidW[213]]: no you can read the log on LR2 later and now read POD task 3 note…. to do soon.
Rizwan[213] says, “hello everyone”
Ross says, “hi Rizwan[213]“
Ross says, “I am a bit slow ….LR2??”
Ian[213] ian belatedly answers …
Ian[213] says, “I have used blogs somewhat but consider myself novice.”
Bron[213] says, “log recorder with past years conversations”
Hopper says, “oops… I have a local problem… knock at door… back in a moment.”
Ian[213] turns out hopper doesn’t live in a burrow afterall! Bron[213] says, “with ass.1 is this separate to pod task 1,2,etc..??”
Ross smiles
Bron[213] says, “could be an up market burrow with a door?”
Ross says, “like Rabit in the 100 acre wood”
Ian[213] says, “True1″
Bron[213] smiles
Hopper is too busy laughing to offer a reply!
Simon[213] says, “lol”
Ian[213] says, “Hey, Bron: my interpretation is that assign 1 comprises personal (OLR) and POD work.”
Hopper says, “yes I’m back”
Bron[213] [to Ian[213]]: ta..I thought as much Ross says, “and TOPIC exercises…..”
Bron[213] sigh
Ross says, “ditto”
Ian[213] says, “Hey, where are y’all posting your OLR entries?”
Hopper says, “so many to do …. aim to cover ALL topics and do 80%”
Ross [to Ian[213]]: in Zope
Hopper [to Ian[213]]: in a CoreBlog in ZOPE… or do we use the other tools?
Bron[213] says, “is there something I can do to not get bumped out of LC_Moo when I login to Moodle or Sakai?”
Hopper says, “previous studenst have asked to use their own blog tools… like blogger.com”
Ross says, “have wasted hours today building a cosmetically pleasing “web site”"
Hopper is open to suggestions as you take charge!
Ross says, “pen and paper”
Simon[213] says, “www.wordpress.com is another good one.“
Bron[213] [to Ian[213]]: I haven’t posted mine yet…I’ve created word document yet to be posted Hopper cheers loudly.
Hopper reckons Ross agrees with Simon,
Ross says, “there are some many good tools…..please no more…lol”
Ian[213] says, “I found it hard to ‘relate’ to the CoreBlog so sought alternative and when I came across wordpress I fell deeply in love.”
Hopper says, “A blog is a blog … even s a Word doc… just get to me for assessement…”
Ian[213] says, “We have established a very good relationship and we meet daily.”
Bron[213] [to Hopper]: so we don’t neccessarily have to use zope for our OLRs? We could use www.blogger.com or wordpress?
Ian[213] says, “(I;m still talking about WordPress BTW)”
Hopper says, “my favourite quote is from Ross….”
Bron[213] [to Ian[213]]: too much time??
Bron[213] smiles
Hopper [to bron]: Yes you tell me where it is…. but send a page to EASTS giving the URL.
Ross says, “how romantic”
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Hopper holds up a SIGN: | Extension |
|___________| Omid arrives.
Hopper says, “I think we have ubtil 14 September… but if you need more time… put a case by e-mail.”
Ian[213] Hurray! Welcome Omid!!:)
Hopper recons this is a valuable log to read later on Log Recorder 2.
Bron[213] says, “Omid did you have to reload www.java?”
Omid says, “hey Ian”
Omid says, “I did but it didn’t work”"
Hopper wonders where was he?
Omid says, “I just updated my firefox”
Bron[213] says, “aahhh firewalls?”
Hopper groans.
Omid says, “I was using firefox 1.5″
Hopper agrees with Bron
Ross [to Hopper]: the interaction and comment certainly beat today’smornings session Omid says, “but updated to firefox 2″”
Omid says, “Do I need to record this session Hop?”
Hopper is glad Omid has 2.0.0.6 Firefox Bron[213] [to Omid]: someone will email their log to you Omid [to bron]: thanks Hopper [to Omid]: No just look at the log on Log Recorder 2 when we have finished.. as the log is only saved when we stop it.
Ian[213] says, “Omid: meantime, read “POD task 3″”
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Hopper holds up a SIGN: | Wiki |
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Hopper says, “if you came late…. read POD task 3 note… released today.”
Hopper passes the baton to Ian while he goes to fridge for a drink.
Omid says, “i’m just working on the 2nd pod”
Ian[213] ian coughs
Ross says, “Ahhh drinks sounds good”
Hopper says, “I’ll be back meanwhile Ian is running this class… BUT your turn may be next… after the break.”
Ian[213] says, “Yeah, Ian, over to you …”
Hopper loves to delegate.
Ian[213] says, “Holly! That IS me!”
Bron[213] says, “on youtube I found an instructional video on wikis it explained how they work clearly”
Omid says, “how far is my group with there pods?”
Ian[213] says, “So, class, can anybody state the fundamental difference between a Wiki and a Blog?”
Ross spills drink laughinmg
Simon[213] says, “the title!”
Bron[213] says, “one thing generally blogs belong to someone and wikis can have many authors/writers”
Hopper cheers loudly.
Ian[213] Hmmm, good, carry on …
Ian[213] Ian likes Bron’s thinking …
Simon[213] says, “Blog is like a personal diary where as a wiki is collaborative information pages”
Bron[213] says, “wikis are great for work groups…you can add agendas, minutes, etc..”
Ross [to Bron[213]]: if you could paste the link here to the youtube instructional video I’d e grateful Ian[213] Ian thinks Simon will go far …
Bron[213] [to Ross[213]]: I will have to dig around..I shall post it to the forum Ian[213] Good stuff class …
Ian[213] And with WIKI’s …
Ross [to Ian[213]]: you’re a natural
Ian[213] How is it that the Group manage to produce the final outcome?
Simon[213] says, “In what way?”
Bron[213] says, “it can be modified, edited by writers and viewers can comment”
Ian[213] says, “Group need to collaborate to produce the product … how do wiki’s facilitate that?”
Rizwan[213] says, “a blog is a online journal that allows the owner to post entries that are generally displayed in reverse chronological order and..”
Simon[213] says, “They allow multiple people to update and modify while allowing tacking of changes etc.”
Ian[213] says, “Ah, I see!”
Ian[213] says, “How else?”
Rizwan[213] says, “A wiki is a type of website that allows multiple users to collaboratively create and edit pages”
Simon[213] says, “There usually viewable on the web allowing an audience to see it.”
Bron[213] [to Ross{213]]: I think this link will take you to youtube video on wikis Bron[213] says, “http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-dnL00TdmLY“
Hopper is ready to loosen the reins… (apology to horse industry…for the good metaphor) but he learning so much under Ian’s guidance.
Ross winks
Hopper says, “Ok I have had enough!”
Ian[213] says, “And so … is a wiki really a type of GroupWare? If so, what category does it fit in?”
Hopper is loosing his grip!
Ian[213] oops
Hopper [to Ian[213]]: can I ahve the baton back… please?
Hopper claps.
Ian[213] Ian hands back the class to Hopper.
Ian[213] ian bows
Hopper applauds Ian’s work at short notice.
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Hopper holds up a SIGN: | New format after break |
|________________________| Hopper says, “we shall take turns to lead the agenda… the dialogue is richer when we share control.”
Hopper says, “thanks to all for conributions on blog and wiki… and great questions, Ian”
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Hopper holds up a SIGN: | Report Time |
|_____________| Hopper says, “quick comment on how things are going with Assignment 1 etc from all.”
Rizwan[213] says, ” still working on it “
Bron[213] says, “Ross and I are getting through pod tasks ok, one pod member is a ghost student perhaps?”
DavidW[213] says, “Should be over half way tomorrow, just need to meet up with other memebers of POD hopefully tomorrow.”
Omid says, “I’m starting on the 2nd pod”"
Simon[213] says, “MAking progress. Matching schedules is proving to be the toughest part so far.”
Ross says, “I am finding it challenging as the Topic exercise have proven time consuming as well as setting up Zope, POD on track although our name of Tripod is misleading perhaps Duo”
Ian[213] Ian agrees with Simon
Omid says, “Not sure how far my group are with there pod”
Bron[213] smiles
DavidW[213] says, “Yeh found that same problem with scheduling in same time”
Ian[213] says, “Regarding the essay, drawing most info about the people from web, but is this okay?”
Hopper reminds you… that your report to each other is more useful than a report to me… except fro assessment.
Hopper [to Ian[213]]: yes.. just be careful not to just copy and paste withot citing and your own commentary.
Bron[213] says, “couldn’t find that much in books either Ian”
Simon[213] says, “whats a book? “
Hopper says, “you all need your essays fro the wiki exercise in POD task 3.”
Ross chokes on drink this time
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Hopper holds up a SIGN: | Epilogue |
|__________| Bron[213] [to Simon[213]]: wikis are proven to contain much inaccurate info. LOL don’t rely on them Ian[213] says, “Hop: there is a member of our group missing.”
Hopper [to Ian[213]]: just carry on with the task.
Simon[213] says, “We have been Hopper “
Hopper says, “my fvaourite quote so far is from Ross: … so many ways to skin a cat.”
Ross says, “Too many, am I Marter or Arther”
Ross says, “I am but a mere male too many option and multitasking are detrimental”
Omid [to Hopper]: how far should we be into our pods at this stage Hopper says, “so many chat, blog and wiki to choose… but that is what our study is about in our POD work… putting the theory of the 10 topics into action and evaluation.”
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Hopper holds up a SIGN: | Next class |
|____________| Hopper says, “this is the last day of MOO classes until THU 4 October 2007″
Hopper says, “we have the 3-week mid-session break for res schools and for you to cathc up al all subjects.”
Bron[213] says, “ok..uni break?”
DavidW[213] says, “that works out good as i will be OS next week for work”
Omid [to Hopper]: how far should we be with our pod work?
Simon[213] needs a 3 week work break.
Bron[213] says, “need 3 weeks to catch up..”
Ross says, “needs a 3 week catch up”
Hopper says, “me too”
Hopper says, “see you then… I will be away on leave for 3 days next week Mon to Wed”
Hopper says, “so if need me .. be patient.”
Rizwan[213] says, ” see ya all”
DavidW[213] bye
Rizwan[213] says, “bye TC”
DavidW[213] (asleep) has disconnected.
Bron[213] waves and smiles
Bron[213] says, “ciao”
Hopper says, “bye and good luck with studies….”
Omid says, “bye champion”
Ross waves
Hopper says, “bye”
Rizwan[213] says, ” thanks Hop”
Hopper waves.
>> The red light on Bron’s log recorder goes out. The recorder in Bulga
>> FernGully has been turned off. <<
Ian[213] says, “Bye all!”
Rizwan[213] (asleep) has disconnected.
Hopper says, “thanks you all. the world is run by those who turn up..”
Bron[213] says, “bye Ian thanks for you leadership”
>> The red light on Ross’ 1st goes out. The recorder in Bulga FernGully
>> has been turned off. <<
Omid says, “lan”
Ian[213] says, “Simon, Omid: when shall we meet again?”
Bron[213] takes Bron’s log recorder.
Ross takes Ross’ 1st.
Hopper hugs Ian
Ross weeps openly
Bron[213] says how cute\
Omid [to Ian[213]]: Ian How far you into your blog Simon[213] says, “when is good for you two? usually after 8 for me.”
Hopper says, “Ian did a great job on short notice… top stuff.”
Simon[213] says, “he did!”
Ian[213] Ian blushes
Hopper says, “I am off now…”
Ross (asleep) has disconnected.
Simon[213] says, “Thanks hopper. good nite”
Omid [to Ian[213]]: how you going with your blog?
Bron[213] says, “ciao Hopper see you on the 4th”
Ian[213] says, “Thanks Hopper, C ya!”
Omid says, “Take care hopper”
Simon[213] says, “have OLR stuff done in word so far Omid. Did you get the stuff we sent you from this weeks meeting?”
Hopper says, “bye Simon and Bron and Ian and Omid…”
>> The red light on Log Recorder 2 goes out. The recorder in Bulga
>> FernGully has been turned off. <<
Hopper (asleep) has disconnected.
Omid [to Ian[213]]: how far you into your pod task?
Ian[213] says, “Omid, Simon: I thinks It just us now?”
Simon[213] says, “ta”
Simon[213] says, “ya”
Omid says, “how you guys going with your pod work”
Ian[213] says, “How about 8pm tomorrow and hopefully we can knock over POD task 1 and 2?”
Omid says, “Sure Ian”
Omid says, “I’m alright with that”
The housekeeper arrives to cart DavidW[213] off to bed.
Ian[213] says, “Simon: I got your email with stuff in it, and thought it was great. “
Ian[213] says, “If I add to it and send to Simon and Omid …”
Ian[213] says, “It starts to become the basis of our Group submission. “
The housekeeper arrives to cart Rizwan[213] off to bed.
Simon[213] says, “ya. I think we each need to do one then combine them”
Ian[213] says, “Omid if you then polish it and submit? How dopes that sound?”
Omid says, “Sure Ian I can do that”
Ian[213] Ian laughs at the dopes typo … meant does … Ian[213] (honest!) The housekeeper arrives to cart Ross off to bed.
Omid says, “with the polish and submit”
Omid says, “Is that for pod 1 or 2?”
Ian[213] Ian feeds baby milk ..
Ian[213] says, “I was thinking for POD 1″
Ian[213] says, “Don’t forget you’ll still need to do your own ‘report’.”
Ian[213] says, “(For your OLR etc)”
Omid says, “you want to knock off pod 1 and 2?”
Ian[213] says, “We’re supposed to review and disucss the final versio(submission) version.”
Simon[213] says, “The stuff i emailed was for pod 1. You each need to do the same so we can collate them into a single submission. Pod 2 we had arranged to do tomorrow at 8pm”
Omid says, “I didn’t receive an email for pod 1″
Omid says, “pod 2 sure tomorrow night at 8pm”
Simon[213] says, “Did you want to forward it to him Ian?”
Ian[213] Ian and Omid need to do their POD 1 reports tommorrow.
Ian[213] Simon, Omid, Ian will review them tommorrow to finalise a submission.
Ian[213] (Approx 30-40 mins)
Omid says, “so you mean all pod 1 task has to be finished by tomorrow”
Ian[213] Then we all do POD 2 (30-40mins) Ian[213] Sound like a plan?
Ian[213] (I.e. Ian and Omid do their reports BEFORE 8pm tommorrow) Omid says, “report as in we write about our experiences/faults?”
Simon[213] says, “sounds good”
Simon[213] says, “just do it in point form”
Omid says, “sure let me get this clear”
Ian[213] says, “Omid:I seem to recall you’ll find past examples in the instructions.”
Omid says, “POD 1 need to be completed by tomorrow with a repoty”
Omid says, “tomorrow night at 8pm we work on POD 2″
Omid says, “Is my understanding right?”
Simon[213] says, “yep”
Omid says, “thanks”
Omid says, “Alright guys am I right 2 go?”
Ian[213] ian has to sing a baby a lullaby and put to sleep, doesn’t know how long that might tiake …
Simon[213] says, “yep i need food too”
Simon[213] says, “so ill see you guys tomorrow”
Omid says, “Sure take care champ”
Simon[213] says, “later all”
– End log: Thursday, September 6, 2007 9:26:06 pm LC_MOO time –
– Start log: Monday, September 10, 2007 8:18:50 pm LC_MOO time –
Simon[213] says, “hes offline now”
Simon[213] says, “…”
Simon[213] says, “….”
Ian[213] checks msn …
Ian[213] no omid there …
Simon[213] says, “heh”
Ian[213] says, “So Simon, nice weather …”
Simon[213] says, “hows that local sports team?”
Ian[213] omid arrives on msn … (!)
Omid comes into the cafe and sits down.
Ian[213] Hurrrahhhhh ah-harrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Omid says, “Hey guys”
Ian[213] says, “Ah-harrrrrr me hearties!!!!”
Simon[213] says, “ignore Ian hes over dosed on the wiggles”
Ian[213] Ian feels his avatar is developing.
Simon[213] says, “:p”
Ian[213] (hands pump backward/forewards wiglle style) Ian[213] says, “Omid: did you get my email?”
Ian[213] says, “Do you like and concur with the group name?”
Omid says, “yeah Ian I like”
Omid says, “who came up with it first?”
Ian[213] says, “So team: this is it, there name is now “locked in”, any objections?”
Ian[213] we all came up with it, remember?
Simon[213] says, “nope all good”
Omid says, “Locked in all gud”
Ian[213] says, “Omid, your contribution was included the night of APEC day “
Ian[213] says, “The blue and subaru are tributes to your toy.”
Omid says, “hehe yeah”
Ian[213] Ah-harrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
Ian[213] says, “Okay, thats one matter solved.”
Ian[213] says, “Next:”
Omid says, “Leave da subaru “
Simon[213] says, “lol”
Simon[213] says, “skyline > subaru but thats another debate “
Ian[213] chuckles
Omid says, “lets settle it with a race”
Simon[213] says, “I would but i traded it for a beema lol”
Ian[213] says, “I didn’t see any of these things in second life …”
Omid says, “You serious? respect now man lol”
Simon[213] says, “Isnt seecond life just full of adverts and pron?”
Simon[213] says, “kinda like the real world :p”
Ian[213] says, “The free trial seemed quite bland of that”
Ian[213] says, “But I did speak a girl, which turned out to be a boy …”
Ian[213] says, “Hmmmm.”
Simon[213] says, “Welcome to the internet”
Ian[213] says, “Alright … next task:”
Ian[213] says, “5 min chat in Interact regarding Nucliear power in Australia … agreed?”
Omid says, “Ian remember how I couldn’t log into interact?”
Simon[213] says, “yep thats what we need”
Simon[213] says, “looks like the other group is in there”
Simon[213] says, “or not”
Simon[213] says, “seems to keep old logs”
Ian[213] ‘pirates are as pirates do’
Ian[213] says, “Seems Omid can’t get into Interact: …”
Ian[213] says, “get’s ALERT invalid login …”
Simon[213] says, “has he logged into my.csu.edu.au first?”
Omid says, “Yeah I did”
Simon[213] says, “weird”
Ian[213] Omid tries alternatives, Ian holds breath …
Ian[213] ian turning blue …
Omid says, “whyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy this”
Ian[213] exhales
Omid says, “Guys you go ahead”
Omid says, “I got to explain to ken”
Omid says, “Hopper won’t be avaliable for now “
Omid says, “So I don’t think I can submit the second pod”
Omid says, “I’ve tryed everything with interact still nothing”
Simon[213] says, “well you could BUT”
Simon[213] says, “explain your reasons for not participating”
Simon[213] says, “and explain how this can be a hurdle to CSCW”
Simon[213] says, “ken will love it”
Omid says, “thanks simon I’ll take aboard your idea”
Omid says, “how much is pod 2 related to interact?”
Simon[213] says, “this feels like the sorta subject where u take the negatives and use them to your advantage”
Simon[213] says, “half of it”
Simon[213] says, “first part was moodle”
Omid says, “How about I do the other half “
Omid says, “then explain to ken why I couldn’t complete the other half using interact?”
Omid says, “what you think?”
Simon[213] says, “pod 2 is pretty much just a copy and past of the log”
Simon[213] says, “but in your pod notes put in your reasons and how it impeeded cscw”
Omid says, “Ok simon I’ll do it that way”
Omid says, “I don’t want to hold you guys behind”
Omid says, “You guys go ahead with interact”
Simon[213] says, “its cool”
Omid says, “I’m so sorry about this guys”
Omid says, “Really am”
Ian[213] says, “We’re having a great, chat …”
Ian[213] says, “Is there a line you’d like me to put in on your behalf?”
Omid says, “Thanks man for the thought”
Omid says, “It’s your call”
Omid says, “If you could that would be great”
Ian[213] says, “So nuclear power in aus, you for or against it?”
Omid says, “Aganist”
Ian[213] says, “your comment has been posted!”
Omid says, “Do we have to state our reason?”
Omid says, “Or was that responce gud enough”
Ian[213] ian and simon head back to moo …
Omid leaves.
Simon[213] says, “back”
Ian[213] says, “Where’d omid go?”
Omid comes into the cafe and sits down.
Omid says, “Back”
Ian[213] says, “Ah-harrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!”
Omid says, “Do we have to state our reason for nuclear power?”
Omid [to back]: up our responce?
Simon[213] says, “Its more just a use of the chat i think”
Omid says, “Yea I know”
Ian[213] ian concurs with simon
Omid says, “You doing it all through interact?”
Ian[213] says, “Done”
Ian[213] says, “So, next tasks:”
Ian[213] says, “POD task 1 and POD task 2″
Ian[213] says, “Simon you okay to compile the report for POD task 2?”
Simon[213] says, “yeah. correct me if im wrong but its basically just a posting of the logs correct?”
Ian[213] meantime, Ian posts the group name to the cscw sub-forum Ian[213] says, “Er, my understanding the logs are to get posted you your OLR …”
Simon[213] says, “ya”
Simon[213] says, “but pod task 2 is post the logs to the forum and ppl make comments?”
Ian[213] says, “Sorry, correction:”
Ian[213] says, “5. The recorder posts a copy of both discussions as a single posting to the CSU PODs sub-forum, while each member adds their reflective comment to their OLR. You may want to also use the blog tools at each site to post the entries as a pre-cursor experience to POD task 3 on testing blog and wiki tools.”
Simon[213] says, “which olrs are needed for the assignment?”
Ian[213] says, “Assignment 1 states the answers for topics 1-5 should be in OLR.”
Simon[213] says, “kool”
Ian[213] says, “So, yes, you’re right …”
Simon[213] says, “for pod 2?”
Ian[213] says, “Post the dialogue to POD, and then we can all put our reflective comments against it…”
Ian[213] says, “Then the instructions says: Each POD group should collate each report into a single POD group report.”
Simon[213] says, “do you each want to email me your thoughts on the 2 chats”
Simon[213] says, “and I will collate them?”
Ian[213] says, “I put a bunch of those observation in the log itself whilst in progress. I..e last session: there are about 5 straight lines.”
Simon[213] says, “let me amke sure i have them”
Ian[213] says, “I’ll dig some more out now also.”
Simon[213] says, “i think i have them”
Ian[213] (asleep) has disconnected.
Simon[213] says, “any thoughts?”
The housekeeper arrives to cart Ian[213] off to bed.
Ian[213] comes into the cafe and sits down.
Ian[213] ian returns after browser flaked out@ Simon[213] says, “wb”
Simon[213] says, “i hate that”
Ian[213] says, “Hey … I’m just about to post our group name to the forum okay?”
Simon[213] says, “sounds good”
Ian[213] says, “There it goes!!!!!”
Ian[213] says, “It’s out in the wild now!!!!”
Ian[213] says, “okay, next.”
Ian[213] says, “Simon you okay with POD task 1?”
Ian[213] says, “Need anything?”
Simon[213] says, “yep just been reading through it looks good”
Ian[213] says, “All my comments are pretty much summed up in the logs, I’ll add more as comments to the forum”
Ian[213] says, “Omid you still there?”
Omid says, “Yeah”
Simon[213] says, “think hes polishing the valve caps on his rex :p”
Omid says, “lol”
Omid says, “smart ass”
Simon[213] says, “;)”
Ian[213] says, “You guys got the email and attachment regarding POD task 1?”
Ian[213] says, “(I sent last night)”
Simon[213] says, “the one from last night?”
Simon[213] says, “ya”
Ian[213] says, “You get it Omid?”
Ian[213] leave hubcaps alone dude!
Omid says, “Yeah I got it”
Ian[213] So what do you think? Is it suitable for submission?
Ian[213] ian is overwhelmed by the feedback Ian[213] says, “”Record your findings as entries in your own OLR report your MOODLE and CSU Interact findings to your POD group”"
Ian[213] says, “”Each POD group should collate each report into a single POD group report.”"
Ian[213] says, “This is what the document is, right?”
Simon[213] says, “yeah thats the report to submit”
Simon[213] says, “let me flick through again a sec”
Simon[213] says, “hmm one suggestion”
Ian[213] please
Simon[213] says, “perhaps a summary explaining our findings a bit”
Simon[213] says, “rather then just a table”
Simon[213] says, “maybe steal a quote from moodle.org to cite”
Ian[213] says, “I.e. stating the POD sessions and online discussion held?”
Simon[213] says, “nah explaining the pros and cons of the sites”
Simon[213] says, “like we found xyz to be more conductive to groupwork due to lmnop”
Simon[213] says, “as stated by moodle.org their aim is to “make life easier”"
Simon[213] says, “or something like that”
Ian[213] says, “Sure …”
Omid says, ” so like you want us to explain about each site we have visited”
Omid says, “stating the pro and con’s?”
Ian[213] says, “Let me be sure, which do you guys actually prefer?”
Ian[213] says, “interact or moodle?”
Simon[213] says, “personally”
Simon[213] says, “i prefer interact”
Ian[213] says, “Funny! Me too!”
Simon[213] says, “seems to have a cleaner layout and functionality”
Omid says, “I haven’t used interact yet 
“
Simon[213] says, “Omid prefers moodle coz it works”
Simon[213] says, “:P”
Omid says, “So I got to agree with moodle”
Omid says, “simon must say your calls are gud tonight”
Ian[213] omid you abstain
Omid says, “I rest my case”
Ian[213] How does a guy get a drink around here?
Simon[213] says, “I try and ligthen the mood in darker times “
Omid says, “lol you should try that as a pick up line”
Omid says, “next tym your out lol”
Simon[213] says, “haha”
Ian[213] says, “okay, so I’ll knock up a summary, and then post it to the forum”
Ian[213] says, “it’s not the best, but probably enough to get us over the line …”
Ian[213] says, “and probably as far as we’re goonnna be able to take it in the time available”
Ian[213] says, “unless there is any other feedback?”
Ian[213] says, “Omid?”
Ian[213] says, “What do you think of the report?”
Simon[213] says, “Is it just me or do you guys find this course a bit hard to follow? Ive been so use to the ridgid structure of other classes”
Ian[213] nods head violently
Ian[213] says, “But I’m also finding that interesting and fun …”
Simon[213] says, “yeah its growing on me”
Omid says, “It’s gud”
Simon[213] says, “Kinda like a big exploration”
Ian[213] says, “It’s kinda like “realworld”"
Omid says, “Just disappointed interact didn’t work for me”
Ian[213] says, “I.e. at work I face this alot”
Simon[213] says, “What you do for work?”
Ian[213] says, “Media company”
Simon[213] says, “ahh”
Simon[213] says, “I do desktop support for Newcastle University”
Ian[213] says, “Ah-harrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr”
Simon[213] says, “seems kinda funny studying at a different uni “
Ian[213] says, “ya’”
Simon[213] says, “tho i started this before i got that job”
Ian[213] so you can’t bend the results …
Simon[213] says, “ya true”
Ian[213] says, “This is my last subject and then I grad!”
Simon[213] says, “I got this”
Simon[213] says, “and im doing IT project at the same time”
Simon[213] says, “then out!”
Ian[213] says, “Omid, how much more time you gotta do?”
Simon[213] says, “before parol”
Simon[213] says, “?”
Ian[213])
Ian[213] snickers
Omid says, “Another year”
Omid says, “If I pass”
Simon[213] says, “not bad”
Simon[213] says, “I just cant wait for this to be over”
Simon[213] says, “its been going for 3 years”
Ian[213] says, “Me too. I lost count of my years”
Ian[213] says, “IT Project was the hardest man …”
Simon[213] says, “I miss my freet ime “
Ian[213] says, “holy …”
Simon[213] says, “it was?”
Ian[213] says, “It was like never ending, like rollercoaster”
Simon[213] says, “ya its so hard working full time and doing this”
Simon[213] says, “worth it tho”
Ian[213] says, “And bringing it to a conclusion at the end was darmn hard.”
Simon[213] says, “what did you do it on?”
Ian[213] says, “If it gives experiences that you can use, then yes.”
Ian[213] says, “.NET”
Simon[213] says, “ahh”
Simon[213] says, “im doing firewall testing and evaluation”
Simon[213] says, “tried to think of something i can relate to and I can do at home”
Ian[213] hacking?
Ian[213] says, “Omid, what will your IT project be on?”
Omid says, “I did it”
Ian[213] says, “oh! what was it?”
Omid says, “It was based on general networking”
Simon[213] says, “nice”
Omid says, “Finished with overall credit”
Omid says, “from memory think it took us 1 year”
Ian[213] says, “whooooooooo-Ah-Harrrrrrr, we’re in good company then.”
Simon[213] says, “yeah i already done the first half”
Simon[213] says, “project prep and prof practice”
Omid says, “How you finding it?”
Simon[213] says, “hard to find time”
Simon[213] says, “lol”
Omid says, “same problem here 2″
Omid says, “what I found was…..”
Simon[213] says, “you doing DE ?”
Omid says, “2 do as much as you can during the break”
Omid says, “Internal”
Simon[213] says, “yeah thats a good idea”
Simon[213] says, “what we get 3 weeks off?”
Omid says, “But doing 1 distance”
Omid says, “I hate it”
Omid says, “Yea 3 weeks off”
Omid says, “Not really holiday still got assignments 2 do”
Simon[213] says, “ya”
Simon[213] says, “good time to play catch up”
Omid says, “Yea but break would be better”
Simon[213] says, “i use work as a break “
Omid says, “yea same”
Simon[213] says, “ok so back to this assignment. anything more we need to do?”
Ian[213] says, “I’m just typing up the opening and conclusion …”
Simon[213] says, “cool”
Ian[213] says, “Do you want me to email to y’all or just post to the forum?”
Omid says, “If you can do both”
Simon[213] says, “both”
Simon[213] says, “you can edit posts cant u?”
Omid says, “If theres anything missing we can add more 2 it”
Ian[213] says, “no editing of posts”
Ian[213] says, “(once posted that’s it)”
Simon[213] says, “how about email it”
Ian[213] says, “I’ll send another email, feel free to change and send back , copying all.”
Simon[213] says, “we can read it tomorrow”
Simon[213] says, “then post”
Ian[213] says, “agrred”
Omid says, “Agree”
Ian[213] waves farewell!
Omid says, “Do we need to organise another tym?”
Simon[213] says, “whens it due?”
Simon[213] says, “friday?”
Omid (asleep) has disconnected.
Ian[213] says, “Shall we do a Thurday 8pm? 30mins just to check/finalise everything?”
Simon[213] says, “yeah thats what i was thinking”
Simon[213] says, “just to clarify anything etc”
Simon[213] says, “did you both want to mail me some comments about chat too?”
Ian[213] says, “Omid says he’ll join us thursday”
Simon[213] says, “sounds good”
Simon[213] says, “get him to email me some chat comments for pod 2″
Simon[213] says, “ill compile them and send em out”
Ian[213] says, “I just told him that.”
Ian[213] says, “will email you stuff too.”
Simon[213] says, “sweet”
Simon[213] says, “ok wanna wrap that up?”
Ian[213] says, “yep, cu thursday!”
Ian[213] says, “cheers!”
The housekeeper arrives to cart Omid off to bed.
Simon[213] says, “nite nite”
– End log: Monday, September 10, 2007 10:09:14 pm LC_MOO time –
– Start log: Thursday, September 13, 2007 8:03:33 pm LC_MOO time –
Ian[213] says, “POD task 2 said something about putting the OLR in the sub-forum and putting comments against it … but I think that stuff was optional?”
Simon[213] says, “im not sure”
Ian[213] says, “Omid, assume you still have no access to Interact and heard nothing from Ken?”
Simon[213] says, “im kinda including the comments in in”
Omid says, “Yeah he sent me an email before saying he will be away for few days”
Omid says, “So there wasn’t much option left”
Ian[213] says, “I suggest we can avoid the part about making comments in the sub-forum. Afterall, we do that all the time so I think we “got” that learning exercise already “
Ian[213] says, “How’d you guys go with the essay?”
Simon[213] says, “still struggling with olrs”
Simon[213] says, “theres to many of them!”
Ian[213] says, “What do you mean?”
Omid says, “I’m still in the process of them”
Omid says, “Alot of work required”
Simon[213] says, “how you going with yours?”
Ian[213] says, “I found the OLRs quite quick. I just compiled the logs into a single word doc (copy/paste) and then upload to blog entry. Isn’t that all that’s required?”
Ian[213] says, “(with the OLR)?”
Simon[213] says, “nah the topic 1-5 olrs are a pain”
Simon[213] says, “think thats all you need for meetings olrs”
Ian[213] says, “Oh! Yes, doing the topic exercises … yah, I blew all of last weekend on that!”
Simon[213] says, “mental note after the break do em each week”
Simon[213] says, “:/”
Ian[213] says, “Beware the essay … bit of effort in that.”
Ian[213] says, “So. Back to the POD work:”
Ian[213] says, “Essential task 1 will be submitted/complete sometime tommorrow.”
Ian[213] says, “Watch the POD sub forum for its arrival”
Ian[213] says, “Simon, you’re also good to submit POD task 2 to the sub-forum today/tommorrow?”
Ian[213] says, “Omid, I guess this means you volunteer to do POD task 3?”
Ian[213] sips at drink …
Simon[213] says, “for next assignment?”
Ian[213] Ye
Ian[213] (Yes)
Ian[213] says, “I.e. plenty of time to get ready “
Simon[213] says, “ok i just emailed you guys pod task 2″
Simon[213] says, “leme know what you think”
Ian[213] says, “Simon and I can then “draw straws” on who does task 4.”
Simon[213] says, “or do half each”
Ian[213] says, “Hey! Like … collaborate?”
Ian[213] ian reads email
Omid says, “Yep task 3 I can do”
Simon[213] says, “lol”
Omid says, “But I can’t work on it this stage”
Simon[213] says, “I basically just popped in what you wrote and added a few”
Simon[213] says, “we all thinking along the same lines”
Ian[213] says, “Looks good to me!”
Ian[213] says, “Where’s Omids stuff?”
Simon[213] says, “i didnt see an email from him”
Simon[213] says, “did you send one Omid?”
Omid says, “I’ll send it now”
Omid says, “for Pod 2 right?”
Simon[213] says, “ya”
Omid says, “It wasn’t much I mean I couldn’t use interact”
Simon[213] says, “just add that to your thoughts”
Simon[213] says, “Ok resent version 2 with Omids input”
Simon[213] says, “let me know what you think. I tried to turn his situation to our advantage”
Ian[213] says, “Even better!”
Ian[213] says, “It does demostrate the problem with synchronous comms!”
Simon[213] says, “yeah”
Simon[213] says, “Hopefully Ken will like it”
Ian[213] says, “I suspect the point of all of this is to get realworld experience of the difficultly of sunchronous comms, rather than the exercises themselves.”
Simon[213] says, “and to get us to use the tools”
Simon[213] says, “and actually interact as a group using them”
Ian[213] says, “yeah”
Ian[213] says, “Did we ever hear from the 4th person?”
Simon[213] says, “dont think so”
Ian[213] says, “They’re an Internal, Omid, you haven’t run anybody down in the WRX again lately have you?”
Ian[213])
Ian[213] 
Simon[213] says, “lol”
Omid says, “lol I think I flew by you”
Ian[213] says, “Hey. I suspect I’m gonna be “time poor” friday … so I’ll post the task 1 report tonight.”
Simon[213] says, “ok kool”
Omid says, “Hey guys I’ll be back”
Ian[213] Omid heads off to the station
Omid says, “Just got to take my sister down”
Ian[213] says, “Drive Safely”
Omid says, “thanks will do”
Omid (asleep) has disconnected.
Simon[213] says, “:/”
Simon[213] says, “good news is pod and exercises is worth more then the essay lol”
The housekeeper arrives to cart Omid off to bed.
Ian[213] says, “Although I suspect the essay is re-used in part of the next assignment”
Ian[213] says, “… Wiki”
Ian[213] says, “”Using your essay on social computing developers from assignment 1, use the wiki tool at the MOODLE and Interact sites to build and edit a larger group essay on the same topic in each wiki.”"
Ian[213] says, “:)”
Simon[213] says, “lol”
Simon[213] says, “so what do you think of pod 2?”
Simon[213] says, “should be enough to meet the requirements?”
Ian[213] says, “I think its exactly what the tasks asks for. Looks good.”
Simon[213] says, “2 down”
Ian[213] says, “I suspect 3 and 4 are somewhat deeper in substance, but easier to attend to if done via Wiki/Blog.”
Simon[213] says, “yeah so not necesserly in real time”
Simon[213] says, “helps with scheduling more “
Ian[213] says, “I guess it must be frustrating for Omid … he’s taking it quite well. “
Simon[213] says, “Not getting into interact?”
Ian[213] says, “No. Driving a WRX “
Simon[213] says, “lol”
Ian[213] says, “(yes Interact)”
Simon[213] says, “he seems pretty layed back about it”
Ian[213] says, “This is why it’ll be good for him to start on Task 3 soonest.”
Simon[213] says, “ya”
Simon[213] says, “I really need to get more organised for the 2nd half”
Simon[213] says, “works killing me”
Simon[213] says, “real work not this course :p”
Ian[213] says, “I spent a whole night printing the topics and POD tasks and the reading, for some reason I have to work off a hard copy. It’s made a huge difference. I open it and recall exactly where I’m upto.”
Simon[213] says, “Yeah i find the same. Personally I prefer to read off paper still or my laptop”
Simon[213] says, “rather then off my screen”
Simon[213] says, “on the desktop”
Simon[213] says, “This wordpress.com has made the OLR’s much easier”
Simon[213] says, “I hated zope”
Ian[213] says, “Yah, within 2-3 mins in zope and I wasn’t in a good place. First impressions do matter it seems “
Ian[213] says, “Hey I just added another comment to the report 1 about moode: Good blog capabilities, with full WYIWG markup buttons.”
Ian[213] says, “Entries can still be re-edited upto 30mins after being posted then get locked-in”
Simon[213] says, “nice niec”
Simon[213] says, “good find”
Ian[213] says, “I think I found a bug in moodle. I uploaded an avatar image but can’t change it”
Simon[213] says, “lol”
Ian[213] says, “It’s a picture of me .. in the style of “Han Solo frozen in carbonite” … looks like I truly am! “
Simon[213] says, “lol”
Simon[213] says, “Wheres he driving to?”
Simon[213] says, “sydney?”
Ian[213] says, “Hmmm, with Omid he could have even meant “Space Station” “
Simon[213] says, “haha”
Simon[213] says, “hes probably picking up women in the wrx while were sitting here doing this”
Ian[213] hearty laugh
Ian[213] says, “Disapointment, I havn’t found a bug in Moodle, instead it’s just caching throwing up the old cached image. Nothing a ctrl/f5 wouldn’t solve “
Simon[213] says, “bah”
Simon[213] says, “supprised its cached”
Simon[213] says, “isnt it all dbase driven?”
Ian[213] says, “Probably browser control, but you’d think it should check the date of the image on the server is more recent than the cache it should replace it.”
Simon[213] says, “yeah”
Ian[213] says, “… But if the image IS in a DB like you say, that might explain it because it may not present the date revised in the required way for browser cache mgmt to occur.”
Simon[213] says, “on a completly unrelated but hillarious note”
Simon[213] says, “is this what they did before mmorpgs? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lpmvFK02jY8“
Ian[213] ian watches with interest (thinks: where can he join) Simon[213] says, “lol”
Simon[213] says, “i saw that years ago and just found it on my hdd”
Simon[213] says, “so i sent the youtube link around work”
Ian[213] come now … we know you’re the guy in green mask and tights Simon[213] says, “im the guy screaming lightning bolt”
Simon[213] says, “i dont think hes coming back”
Ian[213] ian returns …
Simon[213] says, “lol”
Ian[213] (asleep) has disconnected.
– End log: Thursday, September 13, 2007 10:02:58 pm LC_MOO time –
Pod Group Press Release
General Press Release, NSW, 10-Sep-2007 (8:17pm)
POD group 4 has finally re-named itself. After a lengthy gestation period the following name was formed (more like, gave birth to):
“The Podrific Pirates from the Musical Blue Planet Wiki-Subaru (and now say Ah-Harrr)”
All one name, including the Ah-Harrrr (said with a pirate accent please).
Authorised by the POD-4 members.
OLR: Exercise 2 – Topic 5
A social architech is someone who designs and delivers societies or groups. Most applicable to this subject would be the Web Social Architechs which help design, nurture and grow online communites.
Online Communities:
www.curse.com
Curse is an online gaming community which has many portals pertaining to different games of many different genres. It originally started out as a mod portal for the game World of Warcraft. This portal then grew as people congrigated together to discuss not only the mods but the game itself. It progressed into a news portal in addition to its original intent. The community is made up of gamers from all over the world.
Here is my WOW Character: http://my.curse.com/vee/characters/details/42388/ (note the website was having issues at the time of linking this)
www.secondlife.com
Having only spent a short period of time in second life It is designed as an entirley user driven world. It is similar to a web 2.0 website however it is contained within a 3d metaverse.
Objectives:
Curse:-
- Provide a central point for modification uploads
- Community and industry news
- Upload videos
- Participate in discussions regarding news updates and all aspects of user submitted content.
SL:-
- User driven virtual world
- Meet friends and form groups
- Start a business
- Live out your fantasy life.
Rules of Engagement:
Curse:-
- http://about.curse.com/terms-of-use/
- Fairly common rules for an online community.
- Fair play, no harrasment, no spamming.
SL:-
- http://secondlife.com/corporate/cs.php
- Combating intolerance
- Assult – combat only in designated areas
Unique Features:
Curse:-
- User driven content.
- Video uploads
- File uploads
- Myspace and blogger style functionality built into the website for each community member.
SL:-
- User driven content
- Voice chat
- Scripting language
- Real world to virtual world currency exchange
- Unique opportunities e.g. Second Life stock exchange
Behind curse gaming is a dedicated group of gamers who build and run the site. http://about.curse.com/ I believe they are social architects in their vision of an online modification community which has now expanded beyond belief.
Behind Second Life is developed by the company Linden Labs. (www.lindenlab.com)
Taken from their about page:
Linden Lab was founded in 1999 by Philip Rosedale to create a revolutionary new form of shared experience, where individuals jointly inhabit a 3D landscape and build the world around them. Today this experience, known as Second Life, has a rapidly growing population of Residents from over 200 countries around the globe, who are creating and inhabiting a virtual world of their own design.
From the world that has been created it is safe to say that Linden Labs are perhaps not Social Architects but provided the tools to thes that are.
OLR: Exercise 1 – Topic 5
Through out the many virtual worlds that I visit I tend to keep the same personality.
My current online identities are as follows:
World of Warcraft – Online Roleplaying game. – Guild leader, Class leader and Webmaster
Gaming forums – e.g. www.cursegaming.com I try and offer advice on technical issues and game issues. I try and help new people.
MOO – Part of this course! POD Group member and all round nice guy!
I keep these personalities the same as my Real Life one as I have many real world friends In them. The thing I have noticed is that online personalities allow people to be a bit more outgoing then they may be in real life. I tend to try and be helpful and caring to other people as well as good for a laugh. I try and keep any real life issues out of online personalities as this is a place of fun and friendship.
I aim to make my online personality bring out the good in me. Meeting new people and having fun are the main aims to me.
From what I have seen many people take advantage of an online identity to live out fantasies, and test out different aspects of their personality that they might be too shy to do in the real world. This can be both good and bad as it may hurt people but can be a great tool for allow people to grow and open up socially.
OLR: Exercise 3 – Topic 4
I would design and manage content for a blog these days by picking firstly the software to use that is commonly known and used by the community. An example of this is this blog which is based on the wordpress engine. The content would then be structured into different categories such as we have here.
The actual flesh of the content would come from myself citing sources of information and repsonding to the people that comment on my site. A blog is about talking to people, stating your opinions and backing them up. In one way it is like a conversation with the reader.
www.wordpress.com
This site uses the wordpress blogging software that I have decided to look into. This software is very easy to use for both the blogger and the person viewing the blog. The layout is in a logical order allowing users to specify categories in order to find the content that one seeks easier. This software is more directed at the blogger rather then building an online community as we compare it to Kim’s writings. The software does have many plug ins called widgets that can be used to customise the blog and enhance the features that can be used on the site. For example it has a widget for the Meebo chat chat plug in (www.meebo.com).
Most importantly are presentation. This software allows bloggers to pick a number of different styles and themes for use as you can see from my example I have chosen one that is different from the default one.
In comparison to Kims writings about 9 Design Strategies (Kim 2000a) and the three underlying principles (kim 2000b)
Lets look at these in greater detail starting with Kim 2000a
1. Blogger allows a section where the purpose of this blog can be detailed. This is known as the default About page where the blogger can give a speal about what the blog is about.
2. The technology of blogger is very easy to use and thus allows participation from all levels of experience.
3. Blogger does not allow participants to define themselves. It allows parrticipants to define themselves from their posts.
4. The community can be built to offer new participants help. However this blog does not come with a general discussion function such as a forum so people can only help new participants by responding to their comments.
5. Fostering leaders is more something designed around a more community focused site such as a forum. WordPress is more designed as a virtual soapbox for the owner of the site.
The blogging software does not really apply to the other design rules
The blogging software in comparison to the underlying principles does meet two of the three. The software does allow for expansion and growth into different directions. These are fueled by the customization of the software. In addition to this the software does have functionality for visitors to leave comments on the site as a means of discussion and providing feedback. The main downfall of this software is that it dosn’t allow users to take control and collaborate as with other online communities. As stated earlier this is more about being a soapbox for the person running the site.
Overall this software is fantastic for what it was intended to do. It provides a clean easy to use user interface an has many customisation options.
OLR: Exercise 2 – Topic 4
A) Discuss three ways of providing users with more control in an online community.
There are infinate ways to provide users with more control within communities they visit. These features would vary depending on the intentions of their use. For example tools could be developed to enable better user contribution. These controls would enable the user to feel like a bigger part of the community and as thus giving them a greater stake and percieved ownership of the community.
Tools could enhance such functionality as building their online persona through extra fields their profile to allowing them their own blog. The current trend is to allow communities to be build and developed by their users. This web 2.0 phenomina that is currently sweeping the web allows users to submit and generate all forms of content from traditional text to rich multimedia uploads such as video.
Other tools of a more community focus could be deployed such as tools for karama enabling community members to police themselves. Also a rewards system that encourages interaction within the online community.
B) The rules are based around enabling people to contribute with each other, enable them to build the wealth of knowledge within the site and keep the rules simple.
C) Collaborative software systems with synchronous communications need to have a clear set of rules of engagement as they are operating within real time. The moderations need to be able to deal with issues as they arise on the fly. The need is still there within document sharing systems as inappropriate content can and will be submitted. The advantage of this is that these can be moderated much easier and sections of the document can be removed or hidden for review. Reporting of inappropriate activities can be made much easier and automation can be inplace e.g. If the document gets x number of bad marks against it, it is hidden from the public for review.
OLR: Exercise 1 – Topic 4
The community Dogzonline is a very unique niche where dog lovers can come together!
The site has alot of features including:
Rich content
A section for breeders
Forums
Calssifides
Market place
Links to external clubs
And a VIP card which gives you discounts to the merchants listed on the site.
Regular Events?
Some regular events for an online community such as this could be.. Doggy of the month, owner of the month. Drawing contests, and art contests.
OLR: Exercise 4 – Topic 2
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[OLR] Exercise 4
How does this CSU policy [Policy for the Use of University Computing and Communication Facilities] reflect on the ideas in Kolko’s discursive citizenship and Cooper’s four ethical layers?
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